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Act Leader David Seymour's taken aim at the size of government.
He's calling for a limit on the number of ministers, with no ministers outside cabinet, and no associate ministers other than in finance.
There's currently 82 ministerial portfolios, held by 28 ministers, and he claims they're full of 'meaningless titles'.
PSA National Secretary Fleur Fitzsimons told Ryan Bridge it's a hypocritical move from Seymour.
She says both times Act have been in government recently, they've created new agencies.
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